Ahmad 6217

Its isnad is daif, because of the anonymity of the man from Ibn Umar. Ibn Majah (2:176) related two hadiths from Ibn Umar on this subject, one lengthy, by way of Baqiya bin Walid from Muslim bin Abdullah from Ziyad bin Abdullah from Asim bin Muhammad bin Zayd bin Abdullah bin Umar from his father from his grandfather, who said, "The Messenger of Allah ﷺ forbade us from drinking on our bellies, that is, by kara" and so on. The second is by way of Ibn Fudayl from Layth from Saeed bin Amir from Ibn Umar, who said, "We passed by a pool and began to kara from it, and the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, 'Do not kara, but rather wash your hands and then drink from it, for there is no vessel better than the hand.'"His commentator Sindi quoted from Zawaid regarding the first hadith, saying, "In its isnad is Baqiya, who is a mudallis, and he has used ana'ana here." He then quoted from Damiri, who said, "This is a munkar hadith, unique to the author, and the aforementioned Ziyad bin Abdullah is scarcely known."Hafiz referred to both of them in Fath al-Bari (10:67), saying of the first, "There is weakness in its chain, and if it is preserved, then the prohibition in it is for the sake of avoiding something distasteful rather than forbidding it outright." Then he said of the second, "Its chain is also daif." He did not refer to the hadith of Musnad that is here, and I have not found it anywhere else.In the isnad of the first hadith of Ibn Majah, beyond Baqiya's tadlis, there is Muslim bin Abdullah. Hafiz said in Tahdhib, regarding his narration here in Ibn Majah, "I would not think it unlikely that he is the one who narrated from Fadl bin Musa Sinani." Ibn Hibban mentioned him among the daif narrators, saying, "It is not permissible to mention him except by way of censure."As for Ziyad, whom Damiri claimed to be scarcely known, he is Ziyad bin Abdullah Bakkai, who is trustworthy and one of the teachers of Ahmad, as we explained at 1068.As for his statement in the isnad, "from Asim bin Muhammad bin Zayd bin Abdullah bin Umar from his father from his grandfather," the pronoun in "his grandfather" refers back to Muhammad, because he narrates from his grandfather Abdullah bin Umar directly.Regarding the second hadith of Ibn Majah, we do not agree with Hafiz that it is daif, for Layth bin Abu Salim is trustworthy, as we explained at 1199, and his teacher Saeed bin Amir is trustworthy. Ibn Main said, "There is no harm in him," and Ibn Hibban mentioned him among the trustworthy narrators. Abu Hatim said, "He is not known, and he is nothing," but others have indeed known him.Bukhari gave him a biographical entry in al-Kabir (2/1/460-549), saying, "Saeed bin Amir, from Ibn Umar, Layth bin Abu Salim narrated from him," and he did not fault him, which is sufficient to establish his reliability. It seems to me that he is referring to this very hadith of his that is found in Ibn Majah. It would not be far-fetched that he is the unnamed follower of the Companions from whom Maamar narrated this hadith.Kara is explained in the first hadith of Ibn Majah, and Ibn Athir said, "Kara al-maa yakrau kuruan, meaning he took the water with his mouth directly without drinking with his palm or with a vessel, the way animals drink, because they put their akaria, that is, their hooves, into it."